LONDON — Nigel Farage’s new cost-cutting tsar has taken aim at “pathetic” questioning about efforts to save money at one of Reform UK’s most high-profile councils.
Richard Tice, who became head of the populist party’s Elon Musk-inspired DOGE unit (Department of Local Government Efficiency) last month, declined to confirm whether he has given up on seeking a stalled data-sharing agreement with Kent County Council. He instead advised POLITICO to “grow up.”
Tice’s predecessor, Zia Yusuf, had hoped DOGE would use councils’ data to audit their finances and root out “waste” after Reform won control of 10 English authorities — including Kent — in May.
The victories put Farage’s populist party in control of public services for the first time, and made councils a test bed for how Reform might run Britain if it wins the 2029 general election.
However, DOGE’s attempts to access internal data — that is not already public or available through freedom of information (FOI) requests — have not yet been resolved. The national unit still has no data-sharing agreement with Kent, which is using its own “DOLGE” unit at a local level.
Asked about this during a wider interview with POLITICO, Tice appeared to suggest Reform had pivoted to other methods. He said a data-sharing agreement was not “the biggest thing” and that “there’s other ways we can get data.” He added: “Actually we just said, you know what, don’t waste your time. What you guys [the media] forget is that time is money, and if someone’s going to waste my time there, we’ll go around and we’ll find it in another way, right? And we’re very good at this stuff.”
Tice then declined to answer a question seeking to “nail down” whether he has now given up on a data-sharing agreement.
He replied: “It’s pathetic nailing on one point. It’s just pathetic. Grow up. Seriously, seriously. Focus on the big issues. Every council is a flagship council. Why are you guys obsessing about one little piece, or one council out of 13?”
The Financial Times reported on Oct. 24 that DOGE had carried out no audit work at any of Reform’s councils in England.
‘We never said it was easy’
Tice said he will present a six-month review of Reform’s cost-cutting efforts on Nov. 17. “Put that date in your diary, you will not want to miss it. Blockbuster stuff,” he said.
He also pointed to a press conference he gave on Sept. 1, in which he said taxpayers were being “ripped off” by fees charged by managers in the Local Government Pension Scheme, totaling “over a billion pounds of overpayment.”
Reform said in June that “software engineers, data analysts and forensic auditors” would “audit local government spending” at every Reform-controlled council.
Asked about data-sharing with Kent, Tice said: “In the nicest possible way, you in the media obsess about an individual little point. You don’t focus on the big picture. The whole point of DOGE is it’s about the philosophy of saving money.
“Every Reform councilor, they are tasked with looking for ways where they can spot savings — small, medium and large — and this philosophy of saving money starts in the councils.
“In a sense the biggest thing is actually not how you extract data out of the computer software and find out who’s spending what on where. Actually the bigger piece is what contracts are being negotiated? What’s the duration of them? Where are the break clauses? Who’s negotiated it? And re-looking at everything as they come up for renewal.”
Yusuf told POLITICO in July that he believed there would be an “immune response from the Blob” in resisting his requests.
Tice said: “Many people are being very helpful, and we’re very grateful, and there are many people who are being a pain in the arse. And we will dig in, and sometimes they will win and block us, and sometimes we will win.
“The great thing is we’re cutting our teeth, and we’re learning fast, but I am very happy with progress. I’m an impatient guy.”
Asked if being in control of public services had been harder than Reform thought, Tice said: “We never said it was easy. We always knew it would be hard, because we always talked about the Blob.
“But I do think if you guys just obsess about ‘well you haven’t achieved that over there in that little corner, and therefore you’ve failed’ — frankly, it’s pathetic, and you guys have got to grow up.”
A Kent County Council spokesperson said: “Since June all work on local government efficiency in Kent has been led and delivered by Kent County Council’s DOLGE team, sitting within the Council’s Cabinet.
“Officers at KCC continue to work closely and positively with the new administration to ensure that they achieve their policy aims and the priorities of the Council’s new Strategic Framework.
“Subject to governance, legal compliance and need, the administration will utilise support where deemed necessary and appropriate from the Reform UK DOGE to make savings that benefit Kent residents. At this point in time, there is no data sharing agreement, formal agreements, contracts, or memoranda of understanding in place between KCC with the national DOGE team”.
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