Andrew Piskadlo was standing in the middle of a campus amphitheater on Wednesday, waiting to debate Charlie Kirk about the Eighth Amendment, when a single shot rang out.
“It was surprising, and no one really got down until the people in front of the stage did,” Mr. Piskadlo, 28, of Salt Lake City, said in a phone interview. “People got down in waves.”
He had been in line at a campus event at Utah Valley University, waiting to speak to and debate Mr. Kirk, as students typically do in “Prove Me Wrong” debates that Mr. Kirk, a right-wing activist, would host.
Mr. Piskadlo, who estimated that he was about 80 feet away, recalled that Mr. Kirk had been responding to a question about transgender mass shooting suspects before he was shot.
When the shot rang out, Mr. Piskadlo said that he dropped first but did not run. He said he did not see Mr. Kirk get shot. He estimated that the shooting occurred shortly after the program began, shortly after noon local time.
Brandon Russon, a 24-year-old student at Ensign College in Salt Lake City, said he was near the front row of the crowd, about 20 feet from Mr. Kirk.
“I just saw Charlie kind of slump backwards, and I saw — it was very graphic — I saw a lot of blood. And then everybody around me just fell to the ground trying to take cover,” Mr. Russon said. He described a split second of confusion: Mr. Kirk was being asked about mass shootings at the time, and for a brief moment, Mr. Russon wondered whether the shooting was part of an act.
“That lasted only about a second before I realized it was something very serious going on,” he said. Fearing that more shots could be fired, Mr. Russon said he stayed crouched on the ground for about a minute as people screamed and ran around him.
He said that he texted his wife to tell her what was happening and that he loved her, then grabbed his friend, who was next to him, and ran for a nearby building.
Mr. Russon said he was still shaken up by the event and felt grateful to be alive.
He recalled that before it started, he had turned to his friend and said the courtyard venue was not ideal for someone who was a “divisive public figure.”
Mr. Piskadlo said that the setup of the amphitheater struck him as unsafe before the event. Despite a heavy security presence, he noticed “there were a lot of ledges, points where this could happen,” he said. “This seemed really preventable. I’m kind of angry at the organizers.”
Zachary Morris, who attended the event with his 3-year-old daughter, described confusion and a “mass panic” in the crowd when the shot was fired.
“I reached down and grabbed my daughter and my phone and began to run,” said Mr. Morris, a registered nurse who lives in Lehi, Utah.
He took cover in the Sorensen Student Center, but there, people were yelling for everyone to evacuate the building.
“All I could think was that I gotta get my daughter out of there,” said Mr. Morris, who eventually exited safely with his daughter.
Isaac Davis, a junior at Utah Valley University, said the shot fired “wasn’t that loud.” He added, “It was definitely noticeable, but it sounded almost like a firecracker.” He said he believed the shooter was not in the crowd.
Mr. Davis said the scene devolved into “hysteria” after the shot, and he and several others were pushed indoors and into a classroom to hide. “I just didn’t want to be in the building while everything was going on so I ran out of it,” he said.
Benjamin Wood contributed reporting from the campus of Utah Valley University.
Mark Walker is an investigative reporter for The Times focused on transportation. He is based in Washington.
Anushka Patil is a Times reporter covering breaking and developing news around the world.
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