Secretary of State Marco Rubio will meet on Thursday with Pope Leo XIV and a day later with Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni of Italy, according to the Vatican and the Italian government, in a two-day visit amid tensions between Washington, Rome and the Vatican.
The State Department later said in a statement that Mr. Rubio would meet with the “Holy See leadership” and “Italian counterparts,” without identifying them by name.
Mr. Rubio’s meetings will come after President Trump repeatedly denounced the pope for criticizing American attacks on Iran and then turned on Ms. Meloni, once one of Mr. Trump’s staunchest allies in Europe, for standing by the pontiff.
Tensions between Mr. Trump and Leo, who was elected to the papacy nearly a year ago, began to rise in March, after the pope spoke out against the war in Iran. Leo then criticized people who use Christian teaching to promote war, in what was interpreted as a condemnation of Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s repeated use of Christian language to justify the attacks.
The tensions evolved into a direct clash between the president and the pontiff in April, when Mr. Trump attacked the pope on social media, accusing Leo of being “weak on crime” and “catering to the Radical Left.”
Then Leo, who had usually avoided mentioning Mr. Trump’s name during his earlier comments, responded directly.
Speaking to reporters at the beginning of a 10-day tour to four African nations, Leo said: “I have no fear, neither of the Trump administration, nor of speaking out loudly about the message of the Gospel. And that’s what I believe I am called here to do.”
The pope’s subsequent speeches on the trip, which condemned authoritarian leadership without naming any particular leader, were then widely interpreted as further criticism of the Trump administration.
Though Leo subsequently rejected such an interpretation, Mr. Trump and other American officials continued to lash out at the pope.
Ms. Meloni, who had already distanced herself from Mr. Trump over the Iran war, then came to Leo’s defense, saying, “I find President Trump’s remarks about the Holy Father unacceptable.”
Mr. Trump took aim at Ms. Meloni, saying in an interview with an Italian newspaper that he was “shocked by her,” adding, “I thought she was brave, but I was wrong.”
Last week, Ms. Meloni said she had not spoken to Mr. Trump since their spat but that Italy’s relationship with the United States remained “solid.”
Motoko Rich contributed reporting.
Elisabetta Povoledo is a Times reporter based in Rome, covering Italy, the Vatican and the culture of the region. She has been a journalist for 35 years.
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