It’s Day 4 of the current government shutdown, and the Trump administration is threatening to use the moment to fire federal workers. In this episode, the Opinion columnists David French, Jamelle Bouie and Michelle Goldberg debate what this power struggle means for Democrats, Republicans and, most importantly, the American people.
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David French: On Tuesday — we’re recording this on a Wednesday — Democrats and Republicans in Congress were unable to come to an agreement on a spending bill to keep the government operational. And as a result, we are in another shutdown.
The power struggles that got us here and the strategies to consider are really important to understand whatever ultimately becomes of this. So let’s just start at a very, very high level. Michelle and Jamelle, what’s your quick, top-level immediate reaction? Michelle, do you want to go first?
Michelle Goldberg: Well, I think Democrats had no choice but to shut down the government. I do think that their messaging has been weak and incoherent, and I don’t have super high hopes for them actually accomplishing anything significant.
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